Intrapath 2010-10-29 06:32:27

I played a few games on the site, and I must say I'm impressed. However, I don't think the game you linked to was the best example, that game was pretty close to what flash can do. You should've linked to Time Donkey, it's much more awe-inspiring. I still don't think flash has much to worry about though, it'll adapt with time... :P

SpamClamberton 2010-10-29 06:45:10

Who gives a shit? Some people will make the shift to new programs, while others won't. People still make decent art in MSPaint. Of course some people won't make the change because they're scared of leaving their comfort zone, but if you're a good artist it shouldn't matter, and you should've been relying on your own skills rather than what the program can do for you. I can't really say what's better for programmers, but I think it's fair to say that being able to adapt is an important step. I imagine this could have a major change on commercial games, but independent artists will continue to use whatever they're comfortable with.
In the end the software doesn't make you what you are. And if it does, well, sucks to be you. If tomorrow Flash and After Effects disappeared and were replaced with a new program that could only do frame-by-frame animation, Sam T would kill himself.

lenkalamari 2010-10-29 07:28:09

its the artist not the tools etc etc etc etc

VidGameDude 2010-10-29 07:34:14

lol i've use unity all the time.
i upload my crap with another guy i work with to create simple environments.

not much there but real time on a html.
its still pretty freakin impressive though.

l8s

BeamShank 2010-10-29 07:52:02

You're talking as if Flash is only used because it's the only thing we can post stuff on the web with. Television studios use it too, bro.

Tystarr 2010-10-29 08:43:58

Flash will evolve before it ever dies.

kmau 2010-10-29 08:53:40

I don't necessarily agree with everything you wrote but I too think Newgrounds will need to accept submissions made by other programs like Toonboom sooner or later.

JazLyte 2010-10-29 09:50:05

Oh Jordan, you just keep talking...

Starogre 2010-10-29 10:35:21

how do you make spritesheets in unity??????????

Evil-Dog 2010-10-29 10:42:07

Flash will run accelerated 3d pretty soon, you just didn't read Aarron's link
HTML5 WILL be used by websites, right now it's buggy, slow and beta at best
With all it's programming resources, wide spread use and associated softwares (like flex), flash, as3, is not going to, nor should, die
Why would one software die because another can do something similar or even better.
There's not only one music software. It's pretty dumb to say one thing should dissapear because an alternative exists. Especially when you don't have all the facts and just see one video and go post an over excited and uninformed post on a flash website haha
Oh Jordan...good thing I like you cause I would punch you in the nuts at the next meet...I might still do it though haha

GregoryShitcock 2010-10-29 10:47:28

<a href="http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-02-04/1233723643669.jpg">http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-02-
04/1233723643669.jpg</a> lol jk

nmb910 2010-10-29 12:16:11

Check out Away3d.com/ Some people have made a complete 3d engine (like unreal tournament maps) out of flash. ;0

Nayhan 2010-10-29 12:57:02

I hate how they're making flash more for design/web stuff, that's why so many animators still use Flash 8. If unity ends up taking over then my 4 years of slowly learning As will have been wasted...

sirjeffofshort 2010-10-29 13:36:44

Although I don't agree that flash NEEDS to die I think that throughout history the most successful people, companies and societies are those who were able to adopt and embrace new ideas and technologies. Choosing one side of the argument and sticking to it just seems ignorant. Really your best bet is to expand your skill set as much as possible in all arenas, then you're best prepared for any possible outcome and you are able to make the best possible content without limitation.

Emrox 2010-10-29 14:32:02

Say it ain't so, Joe

...ordan.

mindmaster123 2010-10-29 14:54:32

Well as a student of 3D animation, testers Unity and self-taught in HTML5 can say with sincerity that flash is not even close to his death HTML5 is not a language for creating applications is purely a language for web development, you can not even think about how fucking hard it is to make a HMTL5 choreography in flash is rather a matter of hours. That if you can create very complex things like this to post some time ago.

<a href="http://mindmaster123.newgrounds.com/news/post/513190">http://mindmaster123.newgrounds.com/n ews/post/513190</a>

While using Unity is a great program has a long way to be as accepted as a flash. Created games on these platforms are very heavy and a computer with low requirements could barely move, the Uniya plugins is a RAM-eating monsters early versions were only for the most daring acts but have been improving over time and with the arrival hardware acceleration of the possibilities could be higher.

No doubt some day fall flash with the development of EDGE a tool capable of solving the problem that I explained on HTML5 will look more freedom and if properly applied FHTML5 (Fluid HTML5) will see amazing things.

Copperhell 2010-10-29 16:03:34

Unity eh.... Well you don't have to scream "leave flash". In future that will happen too but for now we can't do what you say. Reasons=

1. %80 of the internet gaming is set on 2d games and %20 being 3d. Because of that many people work in 2d things so it won't be that easy to change d's.

2. There are people who can't even use Flash (I am a good sample!) and unity is something more advanced. if we do change into Unity games-movies (if possible to make movies too) the number of artists and the good submissions will go down. Also if we are not able to make movies with Unity it will further lower submission number.

3. The people own PC's (any computer, laptop or desktop, including Mac and other systems) with 2.75 GB RAM in overall and no many people have a good internet connection. The PC's are not able to bear much of Unity's right now, and internet connection thing will affect online games. (P.S. as long as i know Unity ONLY makes you online games, can be wrong tough) Beleive in me, Unity won't make us come out with better, faster games, it will be better graphics, sucking fps, boo games. Your PC might be bearing it out but %57 of people in NG won't.

4. You CAN animate in 3d with flash too, it just takes time. And im not talking about giving a 3d effect with forward-backward trick, i mean REAL 3d. You don't know what a real advanced Flash can bear out. Flash has a wide variety of use, it has parts where even half-brain people can do and it has parts you need a genius.

5. Unity won't be that good for making 2d games, beleive me. More advanced we go, more confussion we will have.

6. NG has already got a good system on-the-go. If we allow Unity some changes in the site will be required.

In short, don't fight it. Unity is a good program for experienced people to be allowed for use, but if we totally remove flash it will open up chaos. Unity won't bring in better experience, you see, after XP everyone expected a great system from windows but Vista was a mine-bank! Hell, you can even give this as an example. Whatever. Flash has a world-wide domination over the world. It will be good to allow Unity but Flash musn't be forgotten. Note that Abode will not like such a change, NO other animating company will. Unity won't stay as the only advanced game-making engine, as more will come.

Short and what, Unity and more-to-come programs like Unity will one day rule the world as it is here in Flash, but it must be a slow change, overall must take around 20-50 years, eveloution is a slow process, no mather what evolves, either internet or animals.

Angrypitfiend 2010-10-29 16:12:45

Scenery Porn anyone?

PENGI9909 2010-10-29 16:38:23

i just hope ipods/iphones/ipads get it before it dies.

Copperhell 2010-10-29 17:04:09

Well, then there is no problem. I can't see the thing you sent out there, so don't just yell me i should. lol. Also everyone knows 3D will one day replace 2D. So i don't think you need to write this here, so with that theory i thought you were saying we should stop these in a close timeline ^o^. What not, brother, lets rock together! (^o^)