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Flash needs to die.

Posted by RiverJordan - October 29th, 2010

Before you spam, please read what i have to say.

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This was a game made in Unity

You can also make full 3D games in Unity, and it is embeddable in the browser, just like flash. Unity is also better than flash for making 2D games, you have more control over everything, lighting, FX, 3D space, whatever.

Unity can export to Mac, PC, Wii, Xbox, PS3, iPad and iPhone. How many of you flash game developers will learn that and NOT say "Wow, i can make browser games, click an "export" button, and submit it to the iPad app store?

And websites have HTML5. Hopefully flash could get on some kind of Animation train that exports to better video, i could totally see it as a standalone animation program of some kind..?

So yeah..Flash needs to die for a better internet experience for everyone, light hardcore 3D games that run just as well as if you had bought and downloaded TF2 or whatever.

Don't fight it, and Tom you should probably start accepting unity submissions to get this internet revolution a'Rollin.

--EDIT--
Yes, I've seen Flash 3D "MoleHill", and It looks good. My main thoughts though is that Adobe doesn't treat flash as a program that makes games, it's a program for "Web content", where as Unity is designated FOR making games. We'll see though, nothing would make me happier to see Flash live, I love flash!

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Shrubs 2010-10-29 01:35:50

art didn't die when people started to sculpt.

RiverJordan 2010-10-29 01:35:50

Flash isn't art, it's just a program for making art, the artists will shift to probably toon boom video, and gaming to unity.

Father-of-Death 2010-10-29 01:38:58

^fuckin love you shrubs

Starogre 2010-10-29 01:45:17

the 3d will all suck if none of them practice 2d first

NegativeONE 2010-10-29 01:46:24

Sigh.
Jordan, Jordan, Jordan. Do some research before making bold statements like this :P
<a href="http://www.droidgamers.com/index.php/game-news/android-game-news/720-codename-qmolehillq-apis-flash-3d-accelerated-graphics">http://www.droidgamers.com/index.php/
game-news/android-game-news/720-coden ame-qmolehillq-apis-flash-3d-accelera ted-graphics</a>

Also, HTML5 won't be widely supported for approximately a jabillion years.

RiverJordan 2010-10-29 01:46:24

Flash 3D runs software, Unity runs hardware, and from what i know, is much simpler. We'll see though, it could get really interesting. Though websites will be better with HTML5 in time which is another reason Flash should die. Steve Job's is just trying to rush it a BIT much lolol.

doondeka 2010-10-29 01:57:00

You know, flash didn't become world famous because it could do everything for you. If it did, then artist would not able to live to there full potential and create brilliant games and movies. Also, newgrounds is was not built on laziness; socialism is built on laziness.

RiverJordan 2010-10-29 01:57:00

I.... i don't get it

DonkeysBazooka 2010-10-29 01:57:22

I have absolutely no input on this matter. i probably shouldn't bother leaving a comment. let's see if i backspace it or hit "leave it"

DonkeysBazooka 2010-10-29 01:58:06

looks like i hit "leave it."

damn, i was really rooting for backspacing it. oh well, maybe my luck will be better next time

Hulalaoo 2010-10-29 02:12:41

omg, u are so retard

RiverJordan 2010-10-29 02:12:41

omg you're narrow minded

Skeik 2010-10-29 02:15:41

Flash is not going to die because of 3 things.

1: It's easy to use. Anyone with half a brain can use Flash to make a banner or an ad or a simple game. Actionscript is one of the easiest languages to dive headfirst into, and the Flash IDE is very simple. While it's not the best and it's not the fastest it's very slow learning curve draws people to it.

2: It's very widespread. What are the numbers? Like 96% of every personal computer in the world has Flash installed. It's a universal platform that almost everyone has access to. It's hard to recreate that kind of market dominance, especially when not everyone knows how to program graphics from hardware, or work in a pure code environment.

3: There are tons and tons of applications already made it in Flash that would be very costly to reproduce in another language and environment.

As far as the next several years, Flash is here to stay.

RiverJordan 2010-10-29 02:15:41

Yes, next several, I'm not saying this shift is going to happen overnight. But it's stupid to say that maybe 10 years from now, flash should be well on its way out to be replaced by Unity. I'm just saying we should allow Unity on NG, that'll raise awareness, more games will be made in Unity, maybe start this change sooner. :P

Skeik 2010-10-29 02:26:25

I'm not agreeing that Flash should be on it's way out in any sort of time frame though. I think that it does exactly what it's supposed to. It's lightweight, it's simplicity saves time and money when creating websites and since 96% of everyone has it there's no worries about compatibility.

Sure, other programs do run hardware and will run faster and better, but could an animator who knows nothing about graphical programming put together a website or a game in these programs? Flash is perfect for the web.

If you really feel that Unity is then you should develop for it. People also said Silverlight was the future because it ran off of the .Net platform but no one took the initiative to do anything with it whatsoever.

RiverJordan 2010-10-29 02:26:25

Yes, but with Unity and HTML5, it'll basically be "Better, faster games" and HTML5 will be "Better, and faster websites", no longer embedding low quality vids in flash, now you can get better higher quality video even smoother.

Also, I dunno what i'm going to do, because i'm an animator, and Unity is for games, perhaps animations will convert more into ToonBoom, Photoshop and After effects, which is kind of where i'm headed.

Skeik 2010-10-29 02:27:10

If you really feel that Unity is the future** then you should develop for it.

Kaggen 2010-10-29 02:33:02

cuz the times they are(a) changin

W-P-S 2010-10-29 02:33:37

can't we just have flash AND this stuff?

RiverJordan 2010-10-29 02:33:37

You'll see, flash was just supporting multimedia on the web while our technology got fast and good enough to support videos embedded in the browser, fully 3D rendered games, and stuff like that, Flash has done nothing wrong, but it will soon slowly die off in favor of better programs.

SickDeathFiend 2010-10-29 03:00:15

looks interesting! just another reason for me to start learning 3d stuff :P

Spazkid 2010-10-29 03:12:00

But its possible to do that type of stuff in flash. Its just a matter of coding.

RiverJordan 2010-10-29 03:12:00

Yeah, but animating will get more advanced. Cuz adobe doesn't treat flash as an animation program, animators can turn to something like toon boom and after effects, and make much more complex things, much simpler.

TooDAMNMuch 2010-10-29 03:22:24

that would only lead to more "mainstream" games whose quality are on par with 1c (the worst developer in the universe) and their retardation.

if you want to make webpage games, then use flash or unity, whichever, just.... say no to dumbing down other platforms in the process

ScorpionReturn5 2010-10-29 03:55:48

The fucking controls on many of these medal games are what need to die.

IS1508 2010-10-29 03:59:27

Here's a video for you to watch...

Is this relevant to your post? I think so.
<a href="http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2010/10/adobe-demos-flash-to-html5-conversion-tool.html">http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2010/10/
adobe-demos-flash-to-html5-conversion -tool.html</a>

JohnnyUtah 2010-10-29 04:48:16

*FACEPALM*

RiverJordan 2010-10-29 04:48:16

>:D

PiGPEN 2010-10-29 05:04:52

The problem with Unity is the higher specs needed to not lag like hell when using it as a viewer or developer.
I'm not even a 2nd/3rd worlder and every Unity game i've played lags like crazy for me.

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